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Today we are going to start our recordings... This morning, thursday morning, thursday the twenty sixth of June two thousand and eight, with Panchita who came back again.

juiti vnaekchowyorepo to ... vyeꞌe gravasión juiti pjuena tyotko , tyotko jueve , jueve veintisey de junio en to año dos mil ocho , se psuka Panchita , tyutekworepo .

My name is Leonardo

nuti nkíjare Leonardo

and today we are going to talk about the... formerly, it says that the... the elfs used to come out.

ene eto vechjisꞌoyre juiti eno no ... kopeni tyuchkoniji eno no ... no chiñonono .

The elfs whistle.

eno chiñonono tsaeikono .

And... formerly, when they leave their children, it says that they (the elfs) wanted to steal them, take them along, because they (the elfs) have the power to pose as the... the boy's father. (Probably

ene ... kopeni te to ( na- ) naeraꞌiko no nachichanove ꞌchiꞌchoꞌono , ene nawooꞌiji nómecha , noma , chuu eno titjiikowono , timiktichwono , eno no ... ma taeya to ꞌmóperu .

They (the children) believe that he is... that he is their own father.

naejchopo to emariꞌi to ... emagienerijcha ma naeya .

Therefore he (the elf) steals him, he takes him somewhere in the forest, he steals the boys.

takoꞌe mamo , mamuiji te to oypuka , smeno , mamechowkopo no ꞌmoperono .

It's like this, that's what I know. The ones who were our grandfathers talked about that.

takeeꞌi eto , eto nechopiko , naechjisꞌo eno viochkonini .

But now, they don't come out anymore. We didn't see them, we didn't see.

juititsero ... woꞌipo tyuchkano wo vimꞌa , wo vimꞌa

but I listened before when, when I was still in the countryside, the elfs were whistling, they were whistling

nsamtsero nuti kopeni te to ... te to nowrikrichꞌo te to kampo , tsaeikono eno chiñonono , tsaeikono

and... It was the elfs, and we never answered to them.

ene ... eno chiñonono ene tájina wo vjikpa viti .

some people, it says, answered to them during their trip, they whistled them.

enjooꞌiji najikpo to napuiirisrano , nasaeíkopo

the man is alone, walking on the path, and he tells them "it is better if you come with me, come with me" he says to them, because um,"my friend", he just says.

ene majichpo ema ma ꞌchane , ( makejwopsi ) makejworichpuka tpuikopooꞌi te to ꞌchene ene " akompañachanchujcha , akchánenu " majichchujcha ema , chuu manjeꞌe " nemnaksare " majichchujcheji .

And... the man goes, arrives at his house and nothing happens to him.

ene ... tyono ema ma ꞌchane titekpo te to mapeno , ene tajna majíchapo

he doesn't meet the snake because he doesn't see if there is something on the path he is walking on, because there are the... horrible wickedness. Um the snake, we are afraid of it because we don't see it, it can bite the man.

wo maato , to giore chu wipo muemꞌa teꞌ to ꞌchene mayonꞌopriꞌi , chu etjo to ... mueperajono tiñemꞌono , kuñarogiono to ... manjeꞌe to giore tpikkore jichu wo vimꞌognena , tanistuka ma ꞌchane .

And he may be hurt.

ene takjorapo eto .

This is like this, that's the information I know, that's what they talk about, the elfs

takeeꞌi eto , eto nechopiko , eto to naechjisꞌo , eno chiñonono

and some of them... they are around there, they live in the... Themselves live in the marsh, in the lake, they are living everywhere

( to ) ene enjooꞌi , nokñojooꞌi , tkowsano te to ..., enopookochu tkowsano te to ymómoji , te kogiure tamutchujcha nowꞌopriꞌi .

Look, whatever happens to us, we go between them (it's because of them ?)

piꞌa , to tajpuka to vjíchapo , wakepaarajpooꞌi ,

if we have a sexual relation with a woman, we cross the march (yomomo) and for sure the part of our leg close to our testicles is going to swell, anywhere in our leg, we are going to swell

te to wkootoka su ꞌseno , vianjigia eto to ymómoji , ene ... seguro eto to viammoꞌoyore te to vcháragi , oypuka te ypuegie , viammoꞌoyore

because they are disgusted of... um... that smell, the smell of this, what we like.

chu naepru eto to ... to manjeꞌe ... to taepꞌa , taepꞌa eto to ... to ywooꞌognena viti .

And we can get ill.

ene wakjuma

If there is nothing to heal us and we spend a lot of time on the floor, under the mosquito net, we don't do anything, we don't walk,

takija tkitkowokovi ene wayereꞌipo teꞌ to ꞌpogꞌe , te to chaku , wakꞌejreꞌupo wkúpuiko ,

but the ones who know, they know the medicine "put this poultice, it will get out what is going to be pus" they say,

enotsero no ( tit ) titkono , timotyono to ꞌpuuji : " joka epchoka , taveꞌa pjokro ꞌtureyore " nakepo ,

and they put the poultice.

ene naepchokpo .

That's good, what there is in the motacu (palm tree), they call it "palm tree seeds" or it may be ‘cola de lagarto’ (medicinal plant).

ene ... toriiꞌo jmani , jmañono tyowꞌono te kochno , jmani naejarecho tachicharagra o etopuka jma kuti taejgi to kjiure .

And they put that as poultice

Ene eto naepchoko

um... they grind it, the ones who know the medicine take it out, because they always...

manjeꞌe ... nayuwajiko , naveꞌo no timottikono to ꞌpuuji , chuu siempre eno no ...

the men, as healers, like Mr Juan Noco is here, he is living close to the indigenous council.

komo kuti naturista eno no ꞌchañono , makaripo viya Juan Noco te pjoka ema naturista jmaka , tkopeno te tachokio pjo kavildo indigenal .

He knows the medicines.

muemoti to ꞌpuujono

and... when he puts the poultice, whatever medecine for the disease of the man, the woman

ene ... muepchoka to tajpuka to ꞌpuuji ( makoj ) makojmagne ma ꞌchane , su ꞌseno

and it will heal, it heals, because the medecine consumes it (the disease).

ene takonarakyore , takonarako , chu tamichruko to ꞌpuuji .

The medecine also has his master, because that, that um... the carayanas (people coming from outside of the country but living in Bolivia since a long time) call it "it is a wild plant" they say, it is a wild leaf or um a wild tree and we say like that, our knowledge.

tomuire to ꞌpuuji tkogienuuꞌi chu eto ..., eto ... manjeꞌe ... naejarecho no kroyonono " es vegetal silvestre " nakoꞌe , eto hoja silvestre o manjeꞌe to arból silvestre ; ene viti , ene vjicho to vimotgiene .

For this reason, these medecines they all have a master

takoꞌeyriꞌi eto mani ꞌpuujono , tamutu tkogienuwko ,

if we talk to it, we say "I want you to heal me" we say to it and, and it can heal us.

to vechjigia , vechjigia , " nwooꞌo nkiprujviyre " vjichapo ene , ene , tkonarakavi .

And a lot of time, formerly, we take the leaves, any root to heal us

ene muchas veces to kopeni yveꞌpo to tapókogi , tajpuka tapore , vkiprujyore

and we don't inform it, we just take it, we grind it, we put it as poultice

ene wo ymétaka yvirarichu vyuwajikpo , vepchokpo

and sometimes it doesn't heal us because we, we didn't inform it, because they all have a master, um... the small forest, the leaf

ene etjo ... ( wi ) wo titkavi jichu wo , wo ymetakaaꞌi , jichu tamutu tkogienono to manjeꞌe smenogirano , tapókoji

and if we say it, it's healing, we can heal our disease.

ene to ymétaka titkóraꞌi , wnáraka to vijumariꞌi .

Now it is what Panchita wants, um... all the informations about our village, Trinidad.

takeeꞌi juiti eto swooꞌooꞌi psuka Panchita , manjeꞌe , techokoriono te pjoka viowsa , te pjoka Trinra , tamutu .

Look, formerly when I still was in the countryside, I walk, I cross the marshes, forest or sometimes,

piꞌa , kopeni te to ( nowrik ) nowrikrichꞌo te to kampo ene mpuiiriko , nñono nanjiko to ymomojono , smeno o etjooꞌi ,

sometimes I don't pay attention to the time, I am walking by day and by night, I walk by day and night, sometimes I walk by night.

etjo tkochrioknu to tiempo , yotpoposinu , yotpoposinu , etjooꞌi mpuiko to yoti .

And I am scared that something will prick me, a thorn who will prick me, or an ant, the snake as well, if I step on it and it will bite me.

ene mpiko , tyujchókanu to tajpuka , tkove nakpa o kchiru , etoripo to giore noktáyaka tnígianu .

But I think nothing happened to me in, in my heart

ene woꞌrichpukatsero te to tajnapka to njichapooꞌi te to , te to nsamre

For this reason I didn't meet the snake.

takoꞌe tajna wo nokpojgia to giore ( wi ).

I meet it sometimes by day, but it runs away

nokpojko to sachepuka pero tyjúnopo

It shall not be I... surely, I am good with people,

( wi ) wipka nñeꞌena ... nuremraꞌrichpuka naeꞌ no ꞌchañono ,

that's why the one who is not good, the snake will also wait for him,

takoꞌe ema ma wo toremraꞌi , mamuire takuchoko eto to kuñarogi

Maybe something might bite him, hurt him.

( tanis ) pueda ser to tanistuka to tajpuka , tajóracha .

Anything... it might be um the puma, the puma who walks, he walks by night

tamutchujcha to ... etoripo pjoka tyore , tyore tpuiiriko , tpuiiriko to yoti

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and he waits for us and jumps on us, he can bite us.

ene ( tkuchoko ) tkuchokuꞌavi ene tetereꞌuchavi tnigiavi .

It's like the jaguar, now we don't see jaguars anymore, but these pumas, yes, there is a lot

takuti to ꞌchini , juiti tajnapo to ꞌchinina ( timi ) timeririjigiapojcha ene eto jmani tyore eto etjo movera

Around here, we don't see it, they have its hiding place, in the islands with a lot of vegetation.

te jmani wo vimꞌa viti , etjo to tayumrujsiꞌwo , eto te to tyuupuꞌono ꞌjiorejono .

It's like that, now the... the men from another habitat, they say... the ones who were our ancestors, the men from another habitat, it’s another place where they live.

takeeꞌi eto , juiti eto no ... eno ꞌchañono ꞌpowsajekono , najicho no ... viochkonini , eno ꞌchañono ꞌpowsajekono , chu ꞌponarichu to nakowsáraꞌi .

they live in the big forest, in the marshes, in the small lakes

tkowsano te to ꞌchope smeno , ymomojono , kogiurekono

There, those men live, but we don't see them.

ene nakowsa eno no ꞌchañono , pero viti wo vimꞌa .

But there exist men, there for example, in there, in there where are... where the stones (the stones) are, in that mountain

pero nokñojooꞌi ꞌchañono , eneripo te pjokni , te pjokni towꞌo to ... towꞌo to mari , to mari te pjokro serranía ,

Masters of mountain also exist

nomuire nokñojooꞌi marikunano

They, they live there, the masters of the mountains,

eno , eno tkowsano tayeꞌe , te to marikunano ,

If whoever goes... , whatever their health, so they hit him it says, the... the... the human being

te to tyanano no ... najpuka , oypuka takjumarajono , ene naeꞌaeji eno no ... no ... ma kristianu ;

and he can get ill, he can die, die, there is not um... if there is no medecine to get him better.

ene takjuma tépena , tépena , tajina manjeꞌe ( wi ) tajina wi takitko to tajpuka ( no ... ꞌmuu ...) ꞌpuujono .

and the man can die

ene tepena ema ꞌchane .

they are all bad, those men of that, of that land (world),

namutu winarajono eno no ꞌchañono pnokni te pjoka , te pjoka ꞌpogꞌe ;

but we don't see them,

pero ( nkee ... wi ... wi ...) wo vimꞌa ;

but they whistle, formerly the elfs used to meet the others (human beings).

pero tsaeikono , kopeni eno chiñonono naroto eno no ꞌpomriono .

Look, the man told me, the one who was my friend, Sir Facundo Semo, he started to talk with me.

" piꞌa ", to muechjisꞌo ema ma viya , nñeꞌeni ... nemnaksareni , viya Fakundo Semo , techjirikwo ema nñeꞌe .

He said that he met the elfs.

marotopuiji eno chiñonono

Good evening (elf),

yotyoopo ,

Good evening (FS),

yotyoopo ,

Where are you going ? he told him (elf),

" ooyo pkíjꞌeyre @" majichpo .

to my house, he told him (FS).

" te mpeno ", majichpo .

That wife, that one is, that other man, they are sleeping, they are very embraced he told him, they told him (the elfs).

" psena pyeno , muenjaaꞌi muena , muena ꞌpona ꞌchane , timokongierekooꞌi ( tkokomjem ) tkokomjiwko " majichpo , najichpuiji .

Really ? He told him (FS),

" ene @", majichpo ,

"Yes they do (elfs), you will see, now you are going to see, we are not lying" he told him.

" ene , piꞌajcharo , juiti pimꞌoyre viti wo vaepiaꞌraꞌi ", majichpuiji .

"And we are going to go with you, we are going to go, we are going to go with you, nothing will happen to you, there is not, there is not ‘cocoy’ (?)

" ene wkompañachowyore vyonyo vkochanevyore tájina paggiowyore , tajina , tajna amina ,

now the night is dark but we are going to go with you,

juiti tmopkuripo pjuena yoti pero viti vkochanevyore ,

And do you have alcohol ?" he told him, they told him both (the elfs).

ene pkoyꞌe to awariente @" majichpuiji , najichpuiji eno apinano .

"Here it is, do you want some ?" he told them

" jokjaaꞌi , awooꞌo era @" majichpuiji

"Yes we do", they told him,

" ywooꞌo " najichpuiji ,

he took off the cap, it says, from the... um flask

( mavej ) mavejtapachopuiji te to ... manjeꞌe ... karamañola ,

they drank the alcohol of the flask, it says, the pure alcohol.

te to karamañola eto to awariente naeriji eto to awariente puro .

"Well thank you", they told him.

" tyuri , rusrupaya " najichpo .

Do you want to smoke ? he asked to them. (error : the elfs ask, not the man)

" awooꞌo asapgia @", majichpuiji eno .

I do.

" nwooꞌo ."

They get him to smoke their cigar

naemsapiikopuiji to nasapru

Their cigar was really like the dry excrement of a big cow (jumbacá). It smells

ene eto to nasapriyꞌe eno kutchujcheji wakaechkopa to taepꞌa ( masapkopiji ),

He smoked it, it says.

masapkopuiji .

And when it was his turn, "do you want to smoke on my cigar ?" FS said to them

ene to majwopuiji ema : " awooꞌo asapgia pjo nsapru @" ( na- ) majichpuiji ema viya Fakundini Semuini .

“We do.” they said.

" ywooꞌo " najichpuiji ,

He lit this cigarette paper, paper of, of... his paper was a corn husk. He rolled his cigarette with it (lit. it is rolled with it)

muetsakpuiji to eto tkayu ... tayru eto to ... mayeꞌe papeliño eto to ꞌmuꞌji , eto , eto takayroꞌmuꞌriꞌi ,

I don't know the word for the liado anymore, um the... um the... what was his paper.

wipo nitka nechjigia to tayroꞌmuꞌi ( tay ) manjeꞌe ta... manjeꞌe to ... tayeꞌeriꞌi papeliño .