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****
And
then
there
was
ex--,
a
great
big
spurt
and
a
bang
in
the
****
And
the
pierman,
****
who
was
employed
by
the
PLA,
****
he
said,
****
Well,
oh,
it's
a
lot
of
things
****
dropped
in
there.
****
Oh,
crumbs,
what's
this?
Mind
of
it.
****
Then,
once
again,
the,
as,
as
I,
as
I
said
with
the,
the
skipper,
I
was
shocked,
****
because
he
didn't
go
after
the
barges.
****
But
****
when
the
safety
of
their
boat
was
concerned,
****
and
he'd
say,
****
Alright,
we
can't
lay
here,
****
we
can't
leave
the
boat
****
--
which
they
could've
done
****
--
no-one
to
****
So,
we
upped,
****
we
all
cast
off,
****
and
we
all
went
our
ways.
****
Or
our
other
boat
was
there
by
that
time,
the
Vanuk,
****
and
Percy
Green
was
the
****
Eh
no,
no,
Percy
Green
was
the
mate
still
****
then,
and
Stan
Terson
was
****
And
we
ran
down
to
Knights
****
Roads,
which
was
abreast
of
****
Lyalls,
where
the
Victoria
****
And,
uh,
I
say,
and
the
Germans
came
back.
****
And,
uh,
we
was
in
a
silly
position
really,
****
but,
ehm,
they
hung
on
there,
****
and
the
bombs
were
dropping
close,
****
and
we
could
see
the
dock,
****
a
absolute
ball
of
flame
silhouetted
against
the
air.
****
And,
uh,
and
there's,
on
our
boat,
we
had
the
scuttle
open,
the
scuttle,
****
which
was
the
sliding
hatchway
to
the
after-cabin,
****
and
there
was
the
Scotsman
****
sitting
there
****
rocking
back
and
forwards
with
his
son
in
the
dark,
****
wouldn't
have
the
light
on,
****
and
the
mate
and
the
skipper
was
sitting
up
on
the
wheelbox
and
that,
****
and,
uh,
we
knew
****
we
had
no
water,
****
so
I
said,
****
Well,
I'm
going
across
on
the
other
boat,
for
water,
****
which
I
did
do.
****
And
I
looked
up
at
the
skipper,
Uncle
****
Jim
Chew,
and
he
could
see
the
gasometers
****
in
Levens
Road
gasworks
silhouetted
by
a
ball
****
of
flame
behind
them,
and
his
house
was
a
couple
****
I
could
see
him
now,
****
and
I
really,
you
know,
admired
the
man
there,
you
know,
****
sitting
there.
****
I
mean,
his
wife
was
there
and
his
child.
****
And
I
went
over
in
the
other
boat,
****
and,
ehm,
down
below
they're
playing
card,
****
they
was
all
cockneys,
****
and
they
had
the
light
on,
****
they're
playing
cards
and
all
the
rest
of
it
****
and
they
couldn't
care
less.
****
So,
I
stayed
there.
****
It
was
a
bit
more
cheerful,
****
and
in
the
end,
uh,
Fred
Smith
come
****
over,
got
****
me,
I
thought,
****
thought
something
happened
to
****
me,
'cause
I
was
so
****
long;
so,
we
took
the
water
****
back,
made
****
tea,
and
it,
we'd
got
too
bad
****
then,
so,
I
forgot
the
time
of
the
****
night
it
****
was,
but
we
cut
and
****
run,
and
we
went
down
below
to
****
Plumstead,
****
and
moored
up
****
And
next
day,
'e
came
in
up,
****
which
was
the
Sunday;
****
it
was,
ehm,
like
a
scene
from
H.
G.
Wells',
uh,
Things
to
****
You
couldn't
see
any
sign
of
life
on
the
shore;
****
I
mean,
****
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
****
we
were
the
only
people
alive.
****
And
smoke
and
barges
drifting
about
everywhere.
****
And,
uh,
then,
****
as
we
passed
Woolwich,
****
we'd
just
see
a
lorry
****
going
on,
****
'cause,
I
think
****
it's
Church
****
It's
up
high
at
Woolwich.
****
And
we
went
back
to
Blackwall
****
Pier,
and
we
tied
****
And
then,
we
walked
home,
****
'cause
Jim
Chew
lived
in
this
general
****
direction
which
I
****
did
and,
uh,
we
****
parted,
****
and
as
I
walked
down
****
Slimmer's
Road,
and
at
the
bottom,
mi
grandmother's
turning,
there's
Rosenblatt's,
uh,
****
Jewish
bakers
--
****
And,
uh,
****
walked
'round
the
corner
****
and,
****
uh,
knocked
at
my
own
house,
****
and
I
could
hear
them
****
crying
indoors,
****
'cause
they
didn't
know
****
what
happened
to
me.
****
And,
uh,
that
was
it.
****
But
mi
grandmother
was
there
--
mi
father's
****
mother
--
she'd
been
bombed
out
****
And,
ehm,
that
was
the
start
of
the
blitz.
****
And,
ehm,
'course
of
a
night-time,
we,
ehm,
we
had
no
shelter;
****
we
were
privileged
in
the
sense
****
that
my
father
had
bought
a
second-hand
Ford
car
before
the
war.
****
I
forget
****
what
one
it
was
--
the
old
straight-backed
****
I
think
****
sixty
pound
it
cost.
****
And
the
milkman
taught
him
****
how
****
to
drive,
****
and
there
was
no
driving
test
at
the
****
time,
and,
uh,
mi
father
used
to
get
very
aerated
if
you,
****
ag--,
agitated
and,
uh,
****
first
day
we
****
went
out,
he
used
to
wear
his
stiff
****
Uh,
he
didn't
have
a
bowler
hat,
no
or
nothing,
but
the
stiff
celluloid
****
And
all
the
neighbours'd
stand
out
****
and
the
milkman
with
his
wife
and
mother
and
four
children
in
the
car.
****
And,
'course,
he
didn't
give
it
enough
throttle
****
and
he
kept
--
CHUNK!
along
****
the
street
he
was
getting
more
and
more
agitated
along
****
Then
because
of
the
car,
we
had
a
side
entry
down
the
****
bottom,
and
he
built
a
bit
of
a
****
lean-to,
that
was
a
****
garage;
so
we
had
no
****
room,
to
put
an
****
At
that
time,
there
were
no,
they
did
have
shelters
****
you
could
put
inside
underneath
the
table,
steel,
steel
****
So,
we
was
all
in
the
family
shelter
next
door,
the
So,
husband
and
wife,
****
and
he
hadn't
worked
for
years;
****
he
was
gassed
in
the
First
****
World
War,
and
who--
had
sort
of
****
form
of
palsy,
and
we
could
hear
this
ratting
his,
****
And,
yes,
****
after
he
came
out
of
the
war,
Loveland,
after
the
First
****
World
War,
and
****
he
****
started
deteriorating,
'cause
he
****
was
gassed;
the
men
****
carried
him
for
as
long
as
****
they
could
--
they
carried
****
He
was
a
stoker,
in
the
gasworks
****
till
they
couldn't
cover
him
anymore.
****
And
'course,
****
never
worked
after
that.
****
He
had
two
children,
two
boys
and
a,
a
girl.
****
And
'course,
we
were
all
stuck
in
this
Anderson
****
And
Iris
was
a
baby,
in
arms
****
and
that
was
it.
****
And,
uh,
then
****
when
things
got
bad,
****
uh,
my
aunt,
her
nerve
went,
****
and
she
went
down
to
Woodford,
****
which
is
only
a
part
of
London,
****
but
there
was
no
bombing
there
at
Woodford.
****
And,
uh,
they
used
to
go
down
there
every
night,
****
and
then
mi
mother
went
there,
****
and
uh,
I
started
****
going
down
there,
****
but
then
you
sort
of
got
immune
to
it
****
and,
uh,
we
went
into
the
shelter
****
belonging
to
a
family,
the
Stamps.
****
In
fact,
th--,
th--,
the
grandson
was
Terence
****
If
you'd
like
****
to
hear
about
that
family...
[INT]
****
Let's
leave
that
for
another
occasion,
shall
****
we?
****
****
Yeah.
Anyway,
we're
in
Stamps',
****
there's
Bobby
****
Stamp,
he
had
one
****
eye,
uh,
and
Johnny
Stamp
and
****
His
father
was
a
donkeyman,
****
he
went
to
sea.
****
And,
uh,
so
there
was
room
in
this
shelter,
****
and
we
used
to
go
over
there.
****
And,
uh,
then,
****
when
the
intensity
of
the
bombing
declined,
****
we,
uh,
just
used
to
stay
in
bed
and
in,
****
and
then
you
just
wouldn't,
uh,
take
notice
of
it;
****
you
just
got
immune
to
it.
But
the
beginning...
[INT]
****
What,
what
sort
of
work
were
you
doing
through
this
period?
****
Well,
****
just
doing
mi
normal
work.
****
But
also,
ehm,
we
did
a
night
m--,
mine
patrol
once
****
Various
lighterage
firms
shared
****
it,
and
we
got
paid
a
payment,
but
an
****
overtime
payment,
but
it
****
was
compulsory
so
****
that
ehm,
as
****
they
started
dropping
mines,
like
the
acoustic
mines,
there
up
****
the
river,
****
you
had
the,
uh,
minesweepers
used
to
go
up
****
H.
P.
Herbert
used
to
serve
on
those,
on
****
But
the
lighterage
tug
used
to
patrol
the
sections
of
the
river
v--,
to
****
stop
****
them
landing,
coming
down
****
on
****
parachute
and
****
And
you
weren't
allowed
any
navigation
****
lights,
which
a
bit
****
Except
when
there's
full
moon,
****
when
you
could
see
well,
****
and
then
they
would
allow
you
little
navigation
****
lights,
but
they
were,
were
****
And
similarly,
with
the
bridges,
the
bridges
of
a
night-time
they're
got
two
orange
lights,
****
which'd
signify
the
middle
of
the
working
arch.
****
So,
there
might
be
two
or
three
arches
like
that.
****
But
'course,
they
were
eh
hooded,
****
and
they
were
very
hard
****
to
see.
****
And,
uh,
so,
everybody
just
did
their
normal
work,
in,
in
the
blitz.
****
You
went
to
work,
****
and
you
came
home,
****
and
****
if
it's
firefighting,
****
that'd
be
on,
****
go
up
to
the
roof,
incendiary
bombs
along
the
street,
****
uh,
because
they
couldn't
get
to
it.
****
And,
ehm,
that
was
****
until
they
m--,
made
explosive
****
incendiaries,
and
then
of
course
it
was
****
They're
more
dangerous
then.
****
When
you
went
****
to
tackle
incendiary
bomb,
****
it'd
explode.
****
But
in
the
first
instance,
they'd
just
come
down
in
clusters,
****
and
you
could
ehr,
get
a
stirrup
****
pump
****
or
dowse
them
with
sand
with
the
****
And
then
the
s--,
the
street
itself,
we
organise
our
own
voluntary,
uh,
watch
of
a
night-time,
a
****
fire-watch,
and
we
did
two
****
hours,
and
I
used
to
go
with
mi
****
And
then,
someone
else
would
come
along
****
and
****
relieve
you
****
and
then
we'd
go
through
the
night
like
that.
****
They
did
try
and
f--,
they,
they
did
fetch
in
compulsory
fire-watching
at
****
factories,
but
my
father
was
a,
a
****
socialist,
and
also
he
detested
****
Morrison,
because
Morrison
was
a
conch
in
the
****
First
World
****
War,
and,
ehm,
****
when
they
said,
he
had
to
go
and
fire-watch
at
a
factory
over
****
in
Mile
****
End
somewhere,
****
he
said,
****
I'm
not!
He
****
He
said,
****
No
conchy's
gonna
tell
me
****
what
****
to
do!
****
That's
it
****
and
he
wouldn't.
****
But
we
did
the
fire-watching
in
the
street.
****
So
that,
ehm,
life
carried
on
more
or
less
as
normal.
****
You
just
did
your
work,
****
and,
uh,
****
if
there's
an
air
****
raid,
you
was
disturbed
at
****
That
was
it
****
and
you
went
to
work
next
morning
****
--
wherever
it
****
Uh,
by
that
time
there
was
very
little
work
in
the
docks
for
dockers
and
stevedores;
****
my
mother's
brothers
were
gone
lorry-driving
and
things
like
that.
****
And
then
later
on,
of
course,
****
when
they
got
the
emergency
ports
of
eh
Mersea
and,
ehm,
Loch
Ryan
****
and
Gurrock,
they
ehm
asked
****
for
them
****
to
volunteer
to
go
and
work
in
****
these
ports,
and
they
went
to
****
My
uncle
John
went
down
to
Cardiff,
I
know,
down
there,
****
working
as
a
stevedore.
****
But,
uh,
there
was
still
a
bit
of
lighterage,
****
uh,
although
in
the
first
incident
****
when
the
ships
couldn't
get
through
E-boat
****
alley,
'cause
it's
much,
too
much
too
dangerous
on
the
****
Ehm,
they
started
****
making
the
tug
crews
a
week
on
the
labour,
a
week
****
So
you
was
a
week
on
labour,
a
week
off.
****
And,
ehm,
the,
the
lightermen,
of
course,
they
was
on
the
eh
labour
all
the
time.
****
Excuse
me.
It
was
still
a
reserved
****
And,
ehm,
then
a
few
ships
started
****
coming
through,
****
and
then
they
started
****
fetching
stuff
through
Bristol,
****
and
****
piping
oil
up
across
to,
to
Windsor
and
place
like
that.
****
So,
uh,
our
small
tug,
****
'cause
there
was
two
st--,
what
they
call
****
dock
tugs
--
the
varlet
****
and
****
the
vassal,
uh,
colloquially
****
Not
those
two
but
that
type
of
tug
up
to
eighty
horsepower
was
called
a
tosher,
its
nickname.
****
Just
a
two-man
crew,
a
skipper
and
a
mate.
****
Uh,
and
they
would
do
the
work
****
when
they're
not
towing
in
the
dock,
****
and
****
perhaps
come
out
****
and
****
tow
up
the
creek
and
back
in
the
dock
again.
****
But
one
of
those
went
on
the
long
run
and
that,
from
upriver
down
to
Teddington
****
and
we
did
go
up
****
and
****
pick
craft
up
from
Teddington
****
and
****
work.
****
So
there
was,
the
work
did
spring
up
again
****
as
far
as
lighterage
was
concerned,
****
but
not
to
the
same
extent.
****
And,
ehm,
****
getting
towards
the
end
of
my
two
years,
****
when
you
are
an
unlicenced
apprentice,
****
the,
ehm,
labour
master,
Sid
Stayden,
old
Sid
****
Stayden,
ehm,
said,
Right,
we'll
have
****
to
****
get
you
driving,
because
you're
supposed
****
to
have
experience
****
driving
under
oars,
when
you
went
up
****
And,
uh,
so
there
weren't
many
driving
****
jobs,
he
give
us,
he
gave
us,
gave
me
****
I
went
with
a
chap,
****
and
we
was
gonna
drive
out
of
Chelsea
****
Creek
****
and
go
up
to
****
But
by
the
time
****
we
go
outside,
****
the
boat
was
waiting
for
us.
****
And
there's
another
one,
****
where
we
was
going
to
drive
up
to
the
Victoria
****
Dock,
up
along
to
****
Rotherhithe,
but
once
again
we
was
only
gone
f--,
f--,
about
****
half
a
mile,
and
the
tug
****
But,
of
course,
****
when
you
went
up
for
your
twos,
****
you
had
to
say
****
that,
ehm,
you
had
experience
****
of
****
driving
under
oars.
****
I
had,
****
but
not
enough.
****
But
then,
of
course,
they
asked
you
questions
about
sets
of
tides
and
things
like
that
****
and,
uh,
it
was
quite
eh
awe-inspiring,
the,
uh,
Watermen's
****
Hall;
it's
very
old
****
hall,
and
all
the
court
would
be
sit
****
A
little
high
table
in
front
of
the
window
****
and
you'd
go
in
with
your
master,
in
this
instance
my
father,
****
apprenticed
to
mi
father,
****
and,
ehm,
then
the
boy
had
to
step
forward,
****
and
they'd
address
you
as
the
boy.
****
And
various
members
of
the
court
asked
you
questions.
****
If
you,
you
failed
the
test,
****
your
master
could
ask
f--,
for
****
them
to
get
a
****
barge,
whether
they
did
it
in
****
wartime,
I
don't
know,
but
****
pre-war,
and
you
would
drive
the
barge
under
oars,
with
the
beadle
of
the
****
company
rowing
****
behind
to
observe
your
****
But,
uh,
it
never
came
to
that.
****
I
got
my
two-year
licence.
****
Uh,
and
then,
I
went
as
a
lighterman
on
the
craft
then.
****
The
last
part
of
my
first
two
years,
ehm,
I
went
'round
to
****
what
they
called
the
New
****
Wharf,
it
was
a
railway
wharf
up
Bow
****
Creek,
by
Canning
Town
Bridge,
which,
ehm,
was
****
the
headquarters
if
you
like,
it
was
our
reporting
****
place
for
the
lightermen
of
Volkins,
****
'cause
we
contracted
for
the
****
And,
ehm,
so
the
boy
would
be
there,
****
and
you'd
get
sent
out
****
to
assist
lightermen,
****
but
you'd
mainly
at
the
wharf,
****
sweeping
up
barges
and
things
like
that.
****
But
****
once
you
got
your
twos,
****
you
was
out
on
your
own
then,
****
you
were
at
a
lesser
rate
than
the
freemen,
****
uh,
certain
restrictions
on
night
****
work,
uh,
but,
ehm,
to
all
intents
and
purposes
you
worked
as
a
****
And
****
because
pre-war
they'd
tended
to
use
a
lot
of
apprentices,
****
'cause
they
was
cheap,
****
as
the
unions
got
more
power,
****
it,
it
imposed
a
quota
of
apprentices
to
the
number
of
freemen
****
a
firm
could
have
and...
[INT]
****
When
was
that,
then,
****
that
the
regulations,
specific
regulations
were
brought
in?
****
Ehm,
it
was
a,
I
suppose
about
nineteen
thirty-nine,
****
nineteen
forty,
as
they's,
they
was
getting
****
I
couldn't
say
exactly,
****
but,
ehm,
it
started.
****
Similarly
'round
about
that
time,
they'd
got
meal
****
hours
paid
****
for,
the
****
lightermen,
because
eh
lightermen
you
could
say
tow
****
up
and,
to
the
New
Wharf,
for
...past
twelve,
****
you've
had
no
lunch,
****
and
they'll
say,
****
Right,
well,
that
one's
gotta
go
out!
You
see?
****
And,
'course,
it's
the
tide.
****
So,
that,
ehm,
the
men,
****
when
they
felt
their
feet
warm,
****
I
mean,
****
they've
come
out
of
the
depression,
****
eh
they
started
****
refusing
****
to
do
that,
****
and
then
they've
brought
a
meal
hour
****
in,
so
you
could
change
straight
****
over,
eh
and
you'd
get
paid
for
an
hour's
****
And,
but
****
as
soon
as
you'd
finished
that
second
job,
****
now
you
had
to
have
your
meal
****
Charged
for
a
meal,
****
but
it
didn't
work
out
that
way
so
much.
****
Ehm,
you
could
come
out
the
Victoria
****
Dock,
and
you'd
missed
the
****
boat
going
****
up,
and
you'd
be
stuck
at
out
on
****
The
only
way
****
to
get
ashore
****
is
by
watermen.
****
The
watermen
by
that
time
were
very
few
and
far
between,
particularly
in
the
war.
****
Or
you'd
get
a
police-boat
****
to
put
you
ashore.
****
And
you
used
to
get
****
--
I
****
think
it's
half
a
****
crown
--
it
was
****
And
you
either
gave
it
to
the
police-boat
or
the
watermen
****
or
****
someone
stepped
you
ashore;
****
then
you
just
walked
in
****
and
that
was
yours.
****
****
But
****
if
you
couldn't
get
ashore,
****
you're
just
stuck
there.
****
Well,
****
as
far
as
you
was
concerned,
****
you
was
coming
out,
****
you
was
gonna
tow
up
somewhere
****
and
you'd
get
ashore.
****
But
you
would
be
stuck
there.
****
And
you'd
have
nothing,
nothing
****
to
eat
or
drink.
****
You
might
be
there
for
six
hours
time
the
boat,
****
if
he'd
gone
right
up
along,
****
waited
for
it
****
to
come
along
****
t--,
t--,
to
pick
****
I
mean,
you
got
paid,
didn't
you,
****
if
you
did
that,
****
but
you
had
nothing
****
to
eat
or
drink.
****
And
that
was
it.
And,
ehm,...
...a
sandwich,
****
you'd
take
a
sandwich
with
you
in
your
pocket,
****
and
that
was
it.
****
All
****
you
had
in
the
barge's
cabin
****
was
a
stove
****
--
and
I
don't
****
know
if
the
museum's
got
a
b--
****
a
barge
stove
--
but
they
****
are
a
particular
stove;
they're
peculiar
to
barges,
in
****
And
the
front
was
open.
****
And
****
to
start
the
fire,
****
you
made
a
blower
yourself,
out
of
newspaper,
****
so,
it
was
rectangular
stove.
****
And
then,
it
conical
at
the
top,
****
and
then
your
funnel
went
up,
generally
to
the
deck
****
Now,
this
would
be
inclined
to
be
smoky,
****
so,
****
if
you
got
a
rattan
****
mat,
you'd
make
an
extension
to
your
funnel
with
a
rattan
mat
or
cardboard
anything
****
like
that,
to,
to
give
it
sort
of
a
bit
****
So,
there
was
the
bars
at
the
bottom
for
the
fire,
****
and
then
it
was
just
open
at
the
top,
****
and
you'd
put
newspaper
around
the
rim
****
and
****
get
it
tight
****
and
****
make
a
blower
from
that,
****
and
it'd
take
the
smoke
away
****
and
****
get,
your,
your
fire
****
going
properly.
****
Coal
was
not
provided
in
that
instance;
****
you
used
to
pinch
your
coal.
****
When
you
got
alongside
a
coal
****
barge,
you
coaled
the
barge
****
up,
then
it
became
a
question
of,
****
And
you
had
the,
uh,
the
stove,
the
fire
in
the,
the
cabin
and
then
the
locker,
****
which
was
just
a
wooden
bench.
****
Ri--,
if
you
****
visualize
that
the
Huddis
plates,
the,
the
configuration
of
the
barge
sloped
down,
forward
****
W-,
aft,
the
cabin
was
always
****
And
they'd
matchline
the
cabin
a
bit.
****
And
then
in
between
the
two,
if
you
like,
artificial
walls,
uh,
they
would
be
the
lockers;
****
so
there'd
be
a
bench,
****
and
****
although
most
of
the
barges
didn't
have
a
locker
underneath,
****
it
st--,
carried
the
name
****
on,
when
it
used
to
be
a
sort
of
a
cupboard
underneath
****
And
this
is
****
where
you
stayed.
****
And
the
lifebelt
on
the
barge
was
a
round,
pillow
****
shape,
and,
'course,
you
would
use
that
for
a
****
pillow,
if
you
was
sleeping
aboard
the
****
Eh,
the
cabins
weren't
unpleasant,
****
except
if
you
got
a
barge
****
that
****
was
rat-infested.
****
Then
you
could,
you
could
smell
them;
****
you
could
hear
them.
****
[UNCLEAR]
you
could
see
the
rat
****
droppings
everywhere,
and
then
you
could,
uh,
****
smell
them,
and,
uh,
smells
like
that
you
****
You
can
describe
it,
****
and
it's
similar,
when
****
--
going
back
to
my
****
childhood
--
when
we
had
****
the
shop,
and
when
things
were
still
a
****
bit
hard,
people
used
to
let
****
And
we
had
a
young
couple,
****
let
a
room
out
to
them,
****
and,
ehm,
I
don't
think
****
they
was
very
clean,
****
'cause
I
remember
****
mi
father
come
into
our
bedroom,
once
****
looking
over
the
wall
****
--
I,
I
didn't
****
know
what
he
was
looking
****
for
--
it
****
And,
uh,
****
when
this
couple
finally
moved,
****
well,
in
fact,
we
wanted
the
room,
****
because
we
were
growing
up
by
then.
****
And,
uh,
we
went
in,
****
and
****
where
the
bed
had
been
on
the
far
window,
****
uh,
we
started
****
stripping
the
wallpaper,
****
my
brother
and
I,
****
and
there
was
a
mess
of
bugs.
****
We
was
shovelling
them
up
****
and
****
running
them
down,
****
and
I
tell
you,
****
I
know
****
what
the,
a
bug
smells
like,
or
a
bug
****
infestation,
but
I
couldn't
describe
****
Not
'cause
it's
indescribable;
****
it's
****
like
trying
****
to
describe,
uh,
the
difference
between
roast
potatoes,
uh,
roast
chicken,
and,
and,
uh,
apple
****
It,
it's
difficult,
****
so,
with
a
rat-infested
barge,
you
smelt
it
****
as
soon
as
you
went
on.
****
And
some
barges
--
it
don't
****
matter
how
often
they
were
****
fumigated,
and
they
would
fumigate
****
them,
ehm,
when
they
went
on
the
****
Uh,
they,
they
would
come
back
again,
the
rats.
****
And,
uh,
****
live
aboard
the
barge.
****
And
that
was
that.
****
So,
that
was
aft;
****
your
cabin
was
aft,
****
and
down
forward
****
--
because
there
was
no
****
toilet
****
--
was
where
you
found
the
****
So,
you'd
either
have
a
piece
of
sacking,
****
and
you
went
to
the
toilet
there,
****
and
you
would
throw
it
overboard,
****
but
****
if
you
didn't
have
sacking
or
newspaper,
****
then,
of
course,
it
was
left
there
and,
until
such
times
****
when
she
went
in
the
barge
yard
for
the
****
overhaul,
and
then
the
barge
repairers
and
the
barge
builders,
they
****
But,
uh,
that
was
the
forward.
****
On
the
tug
they
had
a
toilet,
****
but,
ehm,
you
weren't
allowed
to
use
it,
the
lighterman,
just
for
the
crew.
Yeah.
****
And,
ehm,
****
if
you's,
ehm,
towing
up,
behind
the
barge,
uh,
behind
the
tug,
****
as
I
say,
the
lighterman
could
go
aboard
for
a
cup
of
tea,
****
and
that
was
it.
****
That
was
your
lot.
****
Ehm,
so
that
in
lighterage,
you
learnt,
in
the
first
instance,
****
by
****
being
with
people
****
as
a
two-year
****
boy,
and
then
you
were
on
your
****
own,
you
still
****
I,
I
learnt
quite
a
lot
****
by
****
sitting
****
and
****
listening.
****
Now,
men,
eh,
eh
dockers
and
stevedores'll
say
****
that
lightermen
and,
and,
and
probably
working
men
in
general,
they
always
talk
about
work.
****
That
was
their
main
topic
of
conversation.
****
Work,
then,
then
women,
uh,
then
betting
and
sport,
and
way,
way
down.
****
And
****
after
television
came
in,
****
television
became
the
prime
'un,
****
and,
ehm,
the
work
went
down
one,
****
and
then
everything
was
downgraded
one
then
in
that
order
of
priority.
****
But
you
could
sit
****
and
****
listen,
****
and
the
men'd
be
describing
an
experience
****
and
--
there
was
a
couple
****
things
I
****
learnt
which,
amongst
others,
ehm,
helped
me
in
later
****
And
then,
****
remember
once,
one
of
them
****
saying,
****
that's
****
when
he
was
coming
out
of
Barking
****
Creek,
the
wind
into
the
creek
was
stronger
than
the
****
tide
and
the
****
barge,
being
a
light
barge,
empty
****
barge,
it
was
catching
wind
****
more,
and,
ehm,
the
lighterman
just
got
some
gratings
from
out
of
the
****
barge,
tied
them
to
the
****
light
****
and
dropped
them
overboard
and
****
that,
few
gratings
in
the
tide
counterbalanced
the
****
wind
and
out
she
****
And,
uh,
another
one
was,
another
bad
place
was
the
eastern
basin
of
the
London
****
It's
the
walls,
****
the
quay
walls
were
****
You'd
come
into
the
Shadwell
****
entrance,
and
****
then
go
through
into
the
****
East
India
Dock,
****
And
then
you
had
to
shoot
across,
****
try
and
get
way,
with
barge.
****
Barges
used
to
be
equipped
with
a
pair
of
paddles
****
--
that
was
the
****
oars
--
and
****
a
hitcher,
which
a
long,
long
boat
pole,
with
a
****
But,
the
paddles
came
from
Sweden.
****
And
of
course
through
the
war,
they
dried
up,
****
and
they
were
a
few
and
far
between,
****
so,
we
was
down
then
****
to
what
they
called
fingernail
****
You'd
use
your
fingernails.
****
So
that
****
when
you
came
out
of
that
lock,
in
the
Shadwell
****
Basin
to
go
past
the
****
East
India
Dock,
you
used
to
try
and
get
as
much
****
way
across
you
****
There's
peculiarity
of
the
wind
there
sometimes;
****
you
get
in
the
middle,
****
and
you
just
go
'round
and
'round.
****
And,
ehm,
I
'member
someone
****
telling
me
once
****
that,
uh,
****
got
the
funnel
from
the
stove,
****
which
was
cast
****
iron,
and
they
were
****
chained;
they
broke
the
****
chain,
tied
the
end
to
the
****
rope,
****
and
just
****
dropped
down
the
forward
and
****
And
****
pulled
it
either
side,
****
and
it
got
a
bit
of
way
on
the
barge
again,
****
to
get
that
way.
****
So,
you
learnt
****
by
****
doing
things.
****
And
you
learnt
****
by
****
listening
****
and,
and
****
watching
others,
****
then
you
got
like
a
thing
like
that.
****
Oh,
another
one
was
****
that,
ehm,
with
a
tug
sometimes,
you
got
a
terrific
wind,
****
if
you
had
a
terrific
wind,
****
and
you
would
round
****
--
you
always
round
into
the
****
tide,
the
tide
was
yo--,
act
as
****
Uh,
sometimes
you
couldn't
get
downhead
to
the
wind.
****
If
you
went
'round
stern
first,
full
speed,
****
you
could
come
back
****
to
where
you
want
****
to.
****
But
that,
that's
another
thing
****
that
****
we're
in
good
stead
with
later
on
****
when
I
was
in
the
army.
****
And,
ehm,
so,
I
got
mi
twos,
****
and
then,
shortly
after
that,
ehm,
I
became
a
registered
man,
****
because,
in
the
first
two
years,
you
were
unregistered,
****
although
the
scheme
come
in
nineteen
****
So,
****
shortly
before
I
got
my
twos,
****
the
scheme
started
****
and
I
became
a
registered
man.
****
And,
ehm,
I
belonged
to
a
yorth,
youth
****
organisation
--
Young
Christian
Workers
****
And,
uh,
I'd
been
elected
national
president
****
and
then
the
national
secretary
--
they
couldn't
get
****
him
****
reserved,
and
he'd
gone
into
the
****
Pats,
Patrick
Keegan,
he
was
a
Wiggan
****
And,
ehm,
they
asked
me
****
if
I'd
go,
****
so
I
went
in
the
June
of
nineteen
forty-two
to
****
Liverpool,
and,
uh,
I
was
national
****
secretary,
used
to
edit
the
****
magazine,
and,
****
uh,
deal
with
the
****
correspondence,
arrange
conferences
and
whatnot,
until
****
December,
and
they
couldn't
get
****
m--,
m--,
****
me
****
reserved
also;
thought
I'd
come
out
****
of
reserved
occupation,
and,
uh,
I
****
was
****
called
up,
and
joined
the
east
Lancs
for
the
six
weeks
initial
training
at
****
It'd
been
a
holiday
****
And,
uh,
once
again
it
was
about
December,
winter,
****
and,
uh,
oh,
it
was
freezing.
****
There
was
no
heating
in
these
flimsy
chalets.
****
And
there
was,
uh,
three
men
to
a
chalet,
****
and
we
did
our
initial
training
there.
****
And
there
was
a,
a
chap
there
****
who
was
a
bus
****
driver,
he
came
out
of
the
backwoods,
if
you
like,
in
****
Lancashire;
and
I
had
to
cover
for
****
I
remember
****
we,
we
went
to
his
place,
****
and,
uh,
he
kept
getting
stomach
cra--,
****
cramp,
and
we
****
thought
he
was
swinging
the
****
The
doctor
said
****
he
was
swinging
lead.
****
But
the
poor
bugger
had
perforated
ulcers.
****
He
told
them
****
when
he
came
in
the
army
****
he
had
ulcers.
****
And
the
doctor
gets
more
towards
****
he's
swinging
lead,
****
and,
uh,
he
went
one
day,
****
reported
sick,
****
and
he
spewed
up
black,
****
and
they
rushed
him
to
hospital,
****
and
he
was
dead,
within
about
a
few
hours,
in
the
army.
****
And,
uh,
so
that's
our
six
weeks
training
there
at
Blundell
****
And
then,
you,
you
went
to
the
various
regiments,
according
to
your
trade
or
your
inclination,
****
'cause
they
had
this,
uh,
psychologist
****
did
the
test.
****
And,
uh,
I
went
into
the
Royal
Engineers,
the
****
lighterage,
and
****
then,
went
down
to
Cardiff,
just
outside
[UNCLEAR]
Cardiff,
by
Llandaff
Cathedral,
for
the
sapper's
training,
you
know,
in
demolition
and
****
And
then,
from
that
I
went
up
to
the
Surrey
****
Docks,
there
was
****
Nissen
huts
put
in
the
Surrey
Docks
for
the
IWT,
****
And,
ehm,
from
there,
after
the
initial
training,
****
went
up
to
Cairnryan
to
the
army
camps
****
there,
'cause
that
was
a
military
port
****
And,
ehm,
the
thing
****
I
remember
from
there,
may--,
more
than
anything
****
else,
was
the
****
fact
that
the
water
came
out
of
the
taps
****
brown;
it
was
****
First
I
met
this.
****
And
the
fact
****
that,
ehm,
****
being
Adams,
A
in
the
alphabet,
****
I
always
got
put
first
into
things.
****
And
once
****
--
and
this
is
no
****
exaggeration
--
I
went
to
three
different
units
in
****
We
was
with
the
Engineers,
****
and
we
were
sent
to
an
artesian
works
company,
couple
of
camps
****
down
before,
but
that
last
night
I
was
on
fire
picket
Security
duty
the
next
****
night,
and
then
we
marched
'round
the
****
loch
to
join
the
****
company
we
were
gonna
****
form,
****
PFB
company,
and
I
was
on
guard
the
first
night
again,
three
nights
on
****
That
was
that,
****
being
A.
****
So
that,
ehm,
we's,
just
sort
of
general
duties
there,
****
and
then
we
formed
this
Port
Floating
****
Equipment
company,
969
PFE,
and
****
Now,
from
Cairnryan
we
went
'round
to
a
headland,
****
but
the
nearest
place
was
the
Isle
****
It's
on
the
Mull
****
And
eh
a
bay
near
us,
Rigg
Bay,
we
started
the
secret
experiments
for
the
****
And
the
first
one
was
the,
the
first
idea
rather,
was
great
big
concrete
cassoins,
the
floating
barges,
****
which
would
be
flooded,
****
with
a
road
****
going
between
them,
****
and
they
got
pioneers
****
winching
this
roadway
up
and
down,
****
and
this
was
too
cumbersome,
****
and
they
abandoned
it,
****
but
then,
they
used
these
cassoins
as
breakwaters
in
Rigg
****
Bay,
because
it
r--,
really
used
to
be
fierce
there,
the
weather,
on
the
****
And,
uh,
then
they
hit
on
the
idea
with
the
pontoons
****
supporting
flexible
bridging,
****
which
was
the
main
thing.
****
And,
uh,
****
when
they
decided
****
this
was
****
what
they
was
gonna
use,
****
ehm,
we
then
moved
down
to
the
Isle
****
of
Wight,
and
****
we
started
training
on
****
'Cause
we
was
afloat;
****
we
got
up
the
Navy's
nose,
****
because
they,
see,
and
they
said,
no.
****
They
were
gonna
tow
them
across
to
France.
****
And
****
when
their
bods
came
****
and
****
looked
at
them,
****
they
said,
****
We're
not
gonna
go
next,
****
'cause
it
was
just
a
section
of
floating
roadway
--
six
spans
on
****
pontoons,
which
were
not
facing
the
direction
of
port,
but
athwart.
Across
the
direction
of
****
port,
resting
on
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